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([personal profile] maveness Nov. 14th, 2009 07:12 pm)
Nationwide Race

OMG, this race is triggering so many of my racing issues.

1. Kyle Busch gets a bye on this one (because he wants to clinch the championship this race, so he's complaining about everything because he's stressed, therefore, ignore the talking man, he just needs to vent his frustrations, including almost getting taken out in someone else's aggression) - if you aren't involved in an incident, you don't get to bitch about it. This excludes innocent bystanders that actually get taken out or some damage. Anyone else can't complain.

2. The Cup guys are whiners who need to get a reality check about something - they're in the top series. When they go down and deign to grace other series with their presence, they're preventing lots of other guys from getting rides and getting a chance at the big time. This is the owners' faults more than anyone else (and probably sponsors' faults). But Cup guys have got to realize that, when they've taken all the plum rides, the only way for anyone not Cup to stand a chance is to TAKE every opportunity they get. And when I say "take", I mean extreme aggressiveness. David Reutimann has spoken frankly about how he wasn't a nice guy when he was going through the ranks, because first paid and nothing else got you attention. It was wreck or don't get money to race. NASCAR has caused the problem that Nationwide is virtually the same as every lower series. It's just that Keselowski is the only one who's brash enough to do whatever it takes. And in his issues with Hamlin, he's mentioned why he doesn't kow-tow to the Cup guys (Hamlin is one of the few that actually expects the Nationwide guys to bow down and genuflect) and will race aggressively.

3. I hope Keselowski doesn't bring his aggressiveness to Cup, though. The kid is a damn good driver. But he's the honest first time that I've looked at a driver and thought "I'm kind of surprised that no one has said it...Earnhardt Sr., people". I don't like that kind of aggressiveness, especially when they're good enough as a driver to NOT be aggressive. Kyle Busch has been stupid aggressive* in the past, but more about taking risky moves that weren't always smart, taking out other drivers. That's different from intentional aggressive**. You can learn from stupid aggressive. And honestly, it pisses me off when a driver is good and takes out others by being aggressive (stupid or intentional), because their talent, especially if they've been in the series for awhile, is enough to keep them from making those mistakes consistently.

* Stupid aggressive - making risky moves at critical or non-critical times on a consistent basis, ignoring what you could do to other drivers, when said moves haven't consistently paid off. But these tend to be instances that a person can learn from. Do it often enough and you realize - if you do it again, you have no one to blame but yourself.

** Intentional aggressive - Dale Earnhardt Sr. wrecking people who are beating him for the win.

(Scarily, part of what makes me feel like Brad K. is emulating Senior is that Brad takes ownership of what he does. That's a Senior trait. And lord is it annoying and frustrating, because I want to like him.)
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From: [identity profile] queenofalostart.livejournal.com


Brad K = Senior has something that has been discussed in this house many a time. ITA with everything you said in this post!!!! WTF, there are very few NON-Cup dudes who even having a fighting chance at the Nationwide Championship!

I think they need to do a rule -- if you are a full-timer in Sprint Cup, you can not only NOT go for the championship in Nationwide, you can only race 12 races (or something). TA DA! The first year might suck, but after that, it'll get it together.

From: [identity profile] maveness.livejournal.com


*nods* I think there should be a cap on Cup guys. Cup rookie contenders (true Rookie contenders, not guys having their first full time year even though they raced 10 races the year before) being the only ones who can run full time.

What's sad is, half hte argument that Cup names bring in the viewers does hold weight. But the big races people remember as being great racing? When the underdogs (non-Cup guys) win.

I'll be honest - I feel like it'll be better for the Cup series to improve the true Nationwide field. Right now, look at how many drivers in the past few years have come from full time Nationwide rides. NASCAR needs to think about what the actual talent pool says about the series - right now it looks like there's no talent in Nationwide and hasn't been since Truex. The only true contender has been Keselowski (for true Nationwide feel, though, we're talking before the Hendrick support for JR Motorsports). And Kevin Harvick Inc. tried really freaking hard and still had to get support from Richard Childress to be competitive. That's not right! There are tons of drivers who actually are good, but they don't stand a chance to get any seat time or chance to develop their talent. (And a lot are young and would greatly benefit from seat time.)
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From: [identity profile] queenofalostart.livejournal.com


YES YES YES FUCK YES!

My fave races are the ones that the Nationwide guys snatch from the Cup guys. I agree w/ that additional tweak of the Cup Rookies being allowed to race.

Honestly, they've been recruiting from open wheel like crazy, there's only a handful of guys in Nationwide that I can even think that might be able to make it to Cup...there's no money and no sponsorship unless you're aligned w/ one of the big Cup teams or FROM a big Cup team.

I do feel for KHM -- they try so damn hard.

.: NASCAR needs to hire us to fix this shit up!

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Guys like Justin Allgair and all the other young ones his age...they're more the rule of NASCAR, that they need time to develop. They need to work in a feeder series for awhile. Heck, the fact that Danica wants to do that? Speaks highly of her. Smart move.

(The Kyle Busch thing, where a bunch of young guys got dragged in before they were ready - Kyle had the racing talent to back it up, even though he wasn't mature enough at that time, but others have only gotten run out or shuffled to minor rides or have had to fight to keep rides so they can mature *coughBrianVickers* - that has proven to be NOT the way to do things. Once in a blue moon, yes. Not for every young guy.)
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I think they need to do a rule -- if you are a full-timer in Sprint Cup, you can not only NOT go for the championship in Nationwide, you can only race 12 races (or something).

I am in full support of this rule. I get that the sponsors and fans like watching watching the Cup guys in this series, but the champion should come from the Nationwide ranks. It's one of the things I love about watching the Trucks.

From: [identity profile] maveness.livejournal.com


*nods* Trucks don't get the credit they deserve, other than in the racing community (the actual drivers/crews) and motorsports media, but that's the best racing there is.

My dad's suggestion is have locked in spots for the top whatever in true Nationwide drivers, then have maybe six spots that all the Cup guys would have to fight over and qualify into those spots.
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From: [identity profile] queenofalostart.livejournal.com


I have been following the Trucks more this year, because I have a soft spot for JOhnny Sauter...but I can't watch it because I don't have effing SPeed! Because it's only available here in BOston if you buy the super expensive Platinum cable package. :|

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I like the Brad fro his aggressiveness in the Nationwide series because he has to be that way to survive amongst all the Cup drivers but yes, I agree, don't bring it to Cup. I think he knows better than that but we'll see. I'd really, really, really love for him to give Kyle a run for his money in Cup. Back up all that aggression and confidence while not taking the path Kyle took.

From: [identity profile] maveness.livejournal.com


I think Brad goes sometimes a bit overboard in Nationwide, because there's some stupid aggressive as well. But he's definitely pointing out (without meaning to) what the main problem with too many Cup guys is - finding a way to shine in the midst of all that star wattage requires excessive means.
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